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Nightfall: Chapter 2
Two years after the events of Dream Drop Distance, the Darkness became so great that it swallowed the worlds, locking them away within its merciless abyss.
Twilight Town, now covered in eternal night, stands as one of last Sanctuaries of Light. It is where players begin their journey.
Ever resourceful, the Moogles have created a safe place for refugees. They have charged the Denizens of Light with finding Castle Oblivion: it holds a key to the puzzle of the lost worlds.
But within the dark shadows of the sanctuary world a powerful dark force still looms, waiting to strike. Each survivor must choose whether to go to Castle Oblivion or stay behind to protect the world from the dragon that lurks in the shadows.
Hmm... I'm reading this and I keep seeing the discussion of 'nulls'...
Umm... Logically speaking, in KHII, when the Heart leaves the Soul and Body, the Soul and Body that were left behind become the Nobody. As such, logically, you'd need yet another separation of Body and Soul, which would mean that what was once a nobody is now something else. So if you want to create YET ANOTHER type of being, then perhaps it's plausible, I dunno.
What is MORE plausible is the Body rejecting the Heart and Soul. THAT, I believe, would result in the Heart and Soul becoming a Ghost (after all, if just the soul leaves, it's called dying).
So, if you WANT, you could define a 'Null' as being the leftover shell that was the body, and a 'Ghost' as being the Heart and Spirit that were rejected. However, if you've read Jiminy's journal and the Ansem Reports, then you should understand that in terms of gameplay, you'd have to continue with One-removed Two-remain aspect they have going on.
So then, with all that said and done, you cannot have a Null or Ghost of an Organization Member, because their separation was the Heartless/Nobody variety. And you cannot have a Null/Ghost of a Corpse/Dead person, because that's yet a separate separation.
As such, this gives a logical premise for 'Nulls', but not in the way you were wanting. Basically, although it's for a different reason (mine out of Logic, theirs out of Story reasons) I'm actually in agreement with the GM on this one, you can't have Nulls/Ghosts for Organization members. Now then, IF the GM wants to bring the Null/Ghost thing into being, that's their call, but honestly, the ONLY logical premise I can possibly see for Nulls existing is for that third and final type of separation of the Three Aspects Of Being present in the Kingdom Hearts Universe.
tl;dr - You're doing it wrong... You may wanna re-read what nobodies are in Jiminy's journal.
Holy crap, the discussion of Val has been pheonixed downed...
EDIT: I'd go into a long rant, accompanied by things I've discussed with both Serif and Sephiroth, as it was originally Sephiroth's idea, mistaken on my part, and implemented by Aryn more than anything that brought about it all. It's possible to have a Null.
After all, Auron is a soul-made-physical, is he not? It is entirely possible for a Null under the context that Hearts can be reunited-- the Heart and Soul are two fundamentally different things, as te Heart is more of an essence than it is an manifestation. If you "die" as you explained the separation, then your soul is still there ot float about. Yet you cannot go to the Underworld or afterlife-- there's no true death.
There's more to it, but it was basically under that premises.
So then we're agreed that a soul CAN leave a body and heart behind. I'm not trying to debate what they are, simply that it happened. It's not like the two are glued together.
Look at the Unbirths. We dont know for sure what they even do, or how they are mad. The process of making a Null could be just as possible. It's the same thing.
YES, that's canon. It's called DYING. And that spirit travels to Hades. As in, you're now in the river styx, and if you're lucky, heading to paradise. If you WANT a ghost, it needs both the spirit AND the heart, so that it can keep with pre-existing patterns.
Hades has the ability to take those spirits and give them a temporary physical form. This is canon to greek/roman mythos, IIRC, and thus in extension to the Hades in KH, as he has used similar powers.
Now then, Auron wouldn't be a null, he'd be a spirit with a temporary body. If you would, consider this - we can still have nulls, and introduce a new being, the Spirit. What's more, we can give them an alignment...
Heartless are aligned to Darkness Nobodies are aligned to Nothingness
Nulls could be aligned to Twilight Ghosts could be aligned to Light.
Now then... if Hades ALLOWS for a soul to be reunited with its heart and/or body, then you'd get what would result - A ghost for the heart, and a Nobody for the body. And keep in mind Hades isn't necessarily evil, just REALLY bitter that he got the short end of the straw and was stuck with governing the underworld. So if you can get on his good side, you may be able to get some favors, though most likely he'll want one as well. So you could have your soul reunited to your body and/or heart, just be wary of the catch.
But if you want a logical reason to support something that would be called a Null, you'll need to go with the third type of separation.
What's on the board is pretty well set. Trust me, I know how difficult it is to bring change into what's already considered board canon and it's very different from game canon. "Pre-existing" concepts on this site can become fully developed ideas entirely seperate from the intial idea that spawned them.
So then, basically, even though I found a legal loophole to allow for the existence of Nulls, granted, even though it had a slightly different definition, you're still not willing to consider it? Because, I mean, it's not just getting around the rules, this way, as you'll have a logical reason behind their existence. Hell, if the GM wanted, they could even make some kind of a storyline or plot involving them. It's really simple, AND can allow for the traditional Ghost concept as well. I mean, come on, Ghosts have hearts. Take a look at Pamela from the Altelier series! How can you say she has no heart?
Meh, oh well. If you really want to use them, I've provided you a logical basis for their existence. If not, then oh well, no loss here. After all, it's not like I'd be using them.
I've no idea what Altelier is, but me considering said points is moot. This site implements portions, snippets and chunks of random bits of Final Fantasy game history as opposed to those games not existing independently as stated in Kingdom Hearts. The staff already has the idea and concept of a Null written down somewhere. If they won't change the history to be game accurate in favor of something they created to 'broaden' out the worlds, I don't seem them changing the creative process of something they made totally on their own. It has nothing to do with me agreeing with you or not.
You may also know it as the most recent game, Mana Khemia, but that's besides the point. If you want, then I'll site Casper as well, everyone knows him. Regardless, though, I still don't exactly understand this concept of Null. Like I said in the first post, I'm pretty sure I understood it wrong. So then, what specifically is your concept of 'Nulls'? Or, if you have a thread for it, could you re-direct me to that?
Nope. That's all mod/staff stuff. I think this thread covers why they're allowed/not allowed (haven't read the full thing in a while), but much like the Final Fantasy history integration, it is unposted, and therefore under some point of contention, since it's meant to be followed as a rule, yet unwritten for people to know of it. Nulls, as I recall (it's Splink's idea, I think, or she had largely to do with the concept) were the souls left when a Heartless and Nobody were created, but I remember something about the addressing of the underworld as well. Whether or not it cleared up the matter as you see it, I haven't the foggiest.