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After I had a little outburst, I realized that maybe I need to reanalyze how I interact with people and, more fundamentally, my psychological stability. (sometimes I'm crazy) so I'm working on a psycho profile of mine.I haven't finished yet but I will show it off soon. If anyone's interested you can post your own.
Never mind, as Oogie says, it is not possible to work up an accurate psychological profile on oneself.
What outburst would that be? My own profile is fully of nearly developed but not fully diagnosable but fully recognizable issues. IE, I demonstrate the signs, but not enough to be diagnosed with the actual problem. I'd list them, but my undiagnosed apathy doesn't care enough to do so right now. lol.
Well, as far as I understand it. It doesn't matter if you are diagnosed or not. That you can function on your own means that you aren't gonna get treatment or drugs. Not that many of us need them, but I used to think that pills or psychoanalysis would fix the problem. Now I know that if you go with behaviorist theories the only difference between people who are mentally okay and those who aren't is how they act.
Effectively behavior begets emotion, or, we are nothing but our actions. fortunately psychology has many theories that are difficult to prove or disprove so that may be wrong.
I just had a little outburst that I now think was caused by lack of sleep and severe anxiety. My way of fixing it is to sleep. Now I need to figure out how to keep it from happening again and how to keep from saying stupid things.
Oh, by the way. If you don't have any psychological problems than you don't have a personality.
You seem to have a few holes in your analysis of the human psyche. Behavior does not beget emotion. Rather it is the other way around. And the chain is not nearly that simple. You've neglected the history of the individual (what has happened to them) along with their current surrounding (what is currently happening to them) combining with their general disposition and emotional and mental capacity to deal with it. How they view the world (how they feel about it) comes from two parts of the whole being slammed together. Those part include your physical disposition, the chemical reactions which you cannot control taking place in your brain with your mental one, which is what you will yourself to do. These two combine to set your overall emotional disposition, and is constantly changing as we both age and have new experiences. From this general disposition comes our emotional state. How we feel, how we think, who and what we are beyond just mere flesh and blood. We then react to the world around based on how we feel or how we think we should. This set of reactions eventually establishes a pattern which we label "behavior". To say that behavior begets emotion would be to say that we act first and think/feel later. This is a physical impossibility, as our actions are controlled and initiated by the brain, meaning that for every action we take, there has been at least some form of "thought", whether conscious or not. What IS interesting, is that we are capable of changing our own mental and emotional state by judging our own behavior. When we stop to analyze our own behavior, more often then not, we are either happy with ourselves or indifferent. However, upon discovering that we ar NOT happy with our own behavior, sometimes we decide to change it, which in turn causes half of the make up of our mental state to change. By changing our behavior (depending on what the behavior was) we may actually introduce new or remove old chemistry from our body which in turn can change the chemical composition of our brain, and thus transform our mental disposition entirely.
I did say that if one is to go with behaviorist theories, not necessarily that it's the only way to go
Wow. That was one big block of text. I'm going to have to compartmentalize. You said that behavior does not beget emotion. fine Have you heard of the A-B problem? That the correlation between attitudes and behaviors is only moderate.www.psych.umn.edu/courses/.../defining%20attitude%20concept.ppt see slide six. An attitude can be learned or based on stereotypes or behavior. In some cases it has nothing to do with what one actually feels you are just reacting to surroundings. Have you heard the term "fake it till you make it"? Behavior Psychologists use such an attitude to deal with antisocial or socially in-adept patients. There is a token economy used. A reward system is put in place to encourage good behavior.
Where I got the information that behavior begets emotion is B.F Skinner who along with John B. Watson, came up with behaviorism. This is a quote from Psychology Concepts and Connections. Page 14.
Psychology must limit itself to observable measurable events-to behavior, not mental processes. Organisms learn to behave in certain ways because of the effects of their behavior.
I am not sure what I completely believe since that would require some tests, but I do think since behavioral therapy works over sixty percent of the time that how you act can change your emotions. Which is what you admitted yourself by saying that deciding to change your behavior can change it.
Is it possible that behavior begets emotions but it's a two way street? That emotions (I knew this) beget behavior as well or that there are a wide range of variations depending on the person? Which you also partially addressed when mentioning that how emotions are formed or dealt with depend on the individual person.
One of my friends gave me a summary of Psychology once. She said that psychology is using rules to analyze a person while stating that everyone is an exception to the rules.
You're delving into attitude and psycology. I merely presented things from a more medical perspective.
You've also failed to debunk my debunking. You claimed behavior begets emotion, which I challenged, claiming it to be the reverse, that in fact emotion begets behavior. You then came back to refute me with attitude begets behavior, which I fully agree with and is no way contradictory to my statement... In fact, it more supports my claim than debunks it. Also, you links are 404'd.
Finally: it is impossible to psychologically profile yourself, as 99.9% or human beings are not only biased in their own favor, but are also blinded to half of their own self. Additionally, even the parts they aren't blind to, they can lie to themselves about until they themselves believe. This renders the entire point of the thread, and thus the corresponding argument mute, null, and void.
I agree. But I also think that we aren't arguing. I think that I have been in agreement of what you said from the beginning. The only point I wanted to make is that changing behavior can change emotion. True, I cannot work up a proper psychological profile on my self but I can identify things that I can change or work on. I must confess that I got caught up in the rush of conflict and may have left some of my brain by the wayside.
Only the first link is useless. The second still works
But it all depends on what behavior it is your changing. For example, deciding to add a frequent exercise routine to your daily schedule will release more endorphins into your blood stream which affect your brain, causing you to feel happier and more relaxed. From this chemical reaction, yes, your overall emotional state can be changed. However, not all behaviors changes have and effect on one's general emotional well being. And even assuming all behavioral changes could affect one's emotional state, it all starts with a mental decision to change that behavior. Since your mental and emotional states are intertwined, in essence it is your emotions which eventual change your emotions.
After all, most changes we decide to make in our behavior are the result of self-analysis and recognizing what we like and dislike about how we live. We recognize what we wish to change based on how we feel about that behavior. In feeling, are emotions are set into motion. Of course, cold, hard, logic has some play in the matter, but the truth of the matter is that although humanity prides itself on being the only sentient, and thus only logical species on the face of the planet, only approximately 8% or less of our decision making process relies on what makes sense. In other words, nearly every human behavior is based on the emotions that human being feels.
Also, there is one result missing from the image of the working link. As humans DO employ a bit of logic, it seems to reason that we could add a third response.
I am afraid- the emotional response. Fight or Flight- the physical response
The third would be the analytical process in which we realize that the dog could both intend and inflict harm. This is the logical side of the human response which will eventually lead us to the decision: to we fight or flee? It all depends on knowing (or thinking that we know) or own capabilities and estimating the capabilities of (in this case) the growling dog.
Analyzing a situation based on specific circumstances is something that is avoided in the theories. Human thought is extremely simplified so that we can wrap our human thought around it. What about the smile even if you feel grumpy and you will feel better line that I have heard said? Would the improvement in mood be linked to your body reacting to a stimulus provided by you that it knows means you are happy, would your mood improve because other people smile back at you and are more friendly? It could be either of those things but if a psychologist said it could be either those or something else he wouldn't have a theory. He'd have an opinion.
Theories on behavior are separated out because otherwise it would be awfully hard to even attempt to prove anything. Mostly it's pretend like you know what you're doing and see if it works.Psychology is based on theories, theories I repeat, theories with a little of cutting open a rats brain and poking it and saying, "See, this is where the fear response originates!" And jumping up and down in excitement as the poor rat writhes in discomfort. Actually, that was done with a cat. It may have been done with a rat, a cat and a rhesus monkey. Experiments are usually repeated.
Ah, now we've reached a crossing between culturally accepted linguistic idioms and true psychology. The colloquialism does not the truth make. For example, eating an apple everyday will not guarantee that you will never get sick. Personally, when I'm not happy and I force myself to smile (which happens much more often than I'd like) I go from feeling unhappy or grumpy to feeling outright angry.
One of my friends gave me a summary of Psychology once. She said that psychology is using rules to analyze a person while stating that everyone is an exception to the rules.
Ah, now we've reached a crossing between culturally accepted linguistic idioms and true psychology. The colloquialism does not the truth make. For example, eating an apple everyday will not guarantee that you will never get sick. Personally, when I'm not happy and I force myself to smile (which happens much more often than I'd like) I go from feeling unhappy or grumpy to feeling outright angry.
Perhaps you have a well developed sense of how you actually feel. I wouldn't be surprised if some people can trick themselves. When I smile and I am unhappy I scare people and then I become happy because their reaction to my demonic expression amuses me. Another example of the initial action coming to the desired result for a different reason than used to rationalize initiation of the action.
I think my train of thought has come to a conclusion.
Thank you,
My view of psychology has become even more confused. So has my understanding of people, which I was delving into psychology to try and fix.
Maybe anthropology will be more helpful. I didn't much want to cut open a rat's brain anyway.