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Post by soralightmaster on Jan 19, 2009 19:26:50 GMT -4
Would it be possible if.... Axel was Riku's nobody? I watched a 358/2 scene and it showed Axel, Roxas and Xion sitting by the tree at destiny island and they all sat exactly like Sora Riku and Kairi sat at the tree. Sora and Kairi sat on the tree while riku leaned against it Xion and Roxas sat on the tree and Axel Leaned against it Riku and Axel have the same hair different but diferent color Same with Namine and Kairi, and Roxas and Sora. And i know theirs like an age difference between Axel and Riku but is'nt riku kinda mature for his age? I mean compare sora and riku.
I know this one is an old question but would it be possible if xion is Kairi, Soras and Namines combine Nobody? When Kairi entered soras heart in kh1 she had to leave her shell behind so i think namine was born then. So when Sora went to be a heartless and converted back so maybe since namine is connected to Kairi, Xion was born at the same time as roxas?
Theirs no rule saying you can not have two Nobodys. What I mean is, Lets say were in Kh2 Right now before Roxas fuse with sora, And lets say Sora did the same thing he did In kh1 and went became a heartless and turned back. Whould he have a second nobody would would he be braking the law? lol. But i may be wrong becuase everybody has one shell. So then Xion may be an unbirth.
Xion is an anomaly, much like Ansem the Wise stated. The Heart is indeed unpredictable, and judging by the vast imagination of Nomura, I don't think we have an inkling of knowledge behind his riddles.
I believe that Axel was found too early in the Org to be Riku's Nobody. He lost his Heart only when Ansem took it over in Hollow Bastion, way later in the game. Axel was No. 9 in the Org, but since I don't know the timeline, I can't be sure, although I do think that Axel became an Org member too early to be Riku's Nobody.
In fact, I believe we'll be seeing that Nobody QUITE soon. In KH3, who left to be the enemy but both his Heartless and Nobody? After all, neither one has been seen nor heard of yet.
Post by soralightmaster on Jan 20, 2009 0:13:37 GMT -4
Well but its ironic they were at the same place, sitting in the same order, they same way as riku, sora and kairi, i mean that kinda dosent resemble them or is it a mere coincidence?
Well, it's most likely symbolism. Not at all coincidence. But remember:
Roxas and Axel, the two best friends, fit-together-like-a-puzzle friends (whilst Sora and Riku constantly battled for captain's seat) were fighting against Xion. I think that's a major difference to think about.
Item of note: Riku NEVER lost his heart to the Darkness as other people who would beome Heartless did. He submitted himself to it, but at the cost of his body as Ansem's vessel, not his heart. his heart is entirely his own, which is how he was still able to fend off Ansem in Hollow bastion.
Good point. But his original body was destroyed, due to the fact that Ansem took it. And Ansem was destroyed, so what happened to the body? The body itself was not of Darkness, so it wouldn't have been destroyed by the Light of Kingdom Hearts. I wonder if it's still being used somewhere out there...
I'd imagine that once Ansem took Sora and crew from Destiny Islands and to the World of Chaos vessel, he would have given up needing Riku as a host body and the Darkness therein would have fed him the power he needed. At that point, they weren't in the realm of Light anymore, so maybe outside it, he didn't need a vessel.
In either case, as Yuffie said, after whomping up on him, Riku reappeared, seemingly free of the hold the Darkness had on him prior.
This is the thing that always got me: If Sora became a Heartless, Roxas was created. Sora's Heartless was put back into place by Kairi, yet he had a body and Roxas still survived. Flourished, even. How could his Nobody be wandering around if his body was clearly present after that point in KH1?
Roxas feeling emotion, I feel, has some connection to Ven from Birth by Sleep. It could simply be because Sora is that awesome, ergo Roxas is too, but in Final Mix, Axel cried with he and Roxas said goodbye to one another, and Xemnas (if i reall correctly) also implied Axel had found his emotions. So Namine and Roxas both appear to be exceptions to the rules of beign a Nobody, and are something unique altogether.
Birth by Sleep will help explain Roxas as well. Ven is a major plot and has a reason to look like Roxas. It is speculated that Ven is the unbirth of Sora (Seeing as unbirths can represent any age of the body and have differences such as state of mind and what not.) and when Ven disappeared, he became part of Sora once more. When Roxas was created, Ven's mind probably transferred to Roxas. Which could explain the looks, but he still didn't remember who he was which is the only problem with this theory. When all the other nobodies could remember, Roxas could not?
By the way, I heard that Axel goes to tell Xion and Roxas his real name but instead tells them its not that important. Interesting thing... I'll have to youtube search it. =]
Also, Riku's body was not there in "The End of Worlds" world. It was Xehanort's Heartless playing with Sora. Remember the world was a Heartless world and already existed in darkness, therefore he never needed Riku's body in that world. Riku was probably trapped in the darkness and King Mickey found him. So Riku never lost his heart or his body. (In Hollow Bastion, Xehanort's Heartless didn't use Riku's body, just his essence to become physical.)
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Birth by Sleep will help explain Roxas as well. Ven is a major plot and has a reason to look like Roxas. It is speculated that Ven is the unbirth of Sora (Seeing as unbirths can represent any age of the body and have differences such as state of mind and what not.) and when Ven disappeared, he became part of Sora once more. When Roxas was created, Ven's mind probably transferred to Roxas. Which could explain the looks, but he still didn't remember who he was which is the only problem with this theory. When all the other nobodies could remember, Roxas could not?
If that is true about Unbirths, then this actually makes a lot of sense. Maybe Roxas couldn't remember because, though Ven rejoined with Sora, Sora was the whole, and despite havign Ven's appearance, he was still solely Sora's Nobody, ergo would have no memory of Ven, and did in fact remember all he could.
It also goes without saying that it is possible/probable that Namine messing with Sora's memories had an effect on Roxas as well.