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It's not work I'm afraid of... it's that I don't know what bloody work needs to be done. /I/ can't do anything.
Roxas has WD publicized on her accounts, ones that I don't have passwords to. Knowing how often she gets on to even WD, imagine her logging in to see things have been changed on her.
You want an opinion, you got an opinion. *holds a hand to forehead* Whatever work needs to be done I'll do to the best of my abilities. Just know that a colour of name doesn't mean much. I'm no higher up on the 'awareness' level as any of the staff members. 'bluey' is what this site is ruling under, I don't tamper with that.
A little work would be if I had access to everything, knew where everything was. A lot of work is trying to hunt those down, find permissions, wait for the 'plot' to be decided upon, word it, edit it, and then hope that everything comes out alright; which is what I'd be needing to do in this situation were Roxas not to tend to it, which is doubtful.
So once more, it's not 'a little work' that I'm afraid of...
*sighs* But hey, what's it matter? Majority rules. Whatever... I'm tired.
Heh, no pressure. I'm not asking for changes, just opinions right now.
I know it's not going to be a matter of flipping a switch.
Right now it is about what the majority actually wants. From there, we should set up a plan, discuss, organize, and work out logistics. Then, we vote on it again. Make more changes if need be. Then, if the majority agrees, we present the idea to Roxas as a group.
Aryn- my comment was not for shoving the Dark XII in somewhere and hoping it gelled. Re: my comment to Cal, I just don't think they need to be done away with entirely. If they can fit, let them fit, is all.
Back to the topic at hand, "majority rules" on this site means next to nothing anyway when compared to the might of the Staff's desire to concede or not. Especially on matters concerning canon and plot.
The general idea we have is between improving on existing material and starting from scratch. What if we started from scratch with the existing material? Implemented new ideas where old ones where, and gave new purpose to old ones, maybe.
I still don't think the Dark XII need to go. Then again, I'm for the Organization keeping their robes. To be honest, all of the "new ideas" that this site produces can be equally bad for the game we're trying to represent as they are inventive or new.
So what about this, people give a few of their main pro's and con's about the plot as it stands. That way, we have a better idea of where to be looking for the errors, instead of replacing the whole system, or working with a broken (so to speak, not literally) system.
I actually added some of the arguments people stated to the poll already, in the hopes that newcomers will consider the practicalities of each side.
Also- the way WD's system is set up, there is only one person who can make any real changes period. That person is Roxas. Without the green light from her, there is nothing. The rest of the staff cannot actually do anything, as stated by Yuffie, our the highest ranking member next to Roxas.
In other words...we don't care what the staff thinks as staff members. We care what the staff thinks as site members because the staff is us and we are the staff (provided we actually get enough to people to vote and express an opinion).
The best changes to the plot, as I can tell, are ones that add to existing material; those are the ideas I'd work with.
This site is over a year old, and for over a year the people here have played according to the current plot. It may not quite be exactly canon, but it gives roleplay possibilities, and in the end, it even has a balance of one side to the other. Another side, another story...
If you want an entirely new plot, it may be best to make an entirely new site; in this case, twists such as a clone army to combat the Keywielders or other such things can easily be integrated, while completely destroying an entire group that other players have worked hard to create and maintain not only suddenly denies characters that have been open since the beginning, but changes what the site was intended to be. A new plot may be inviting, but in the end I joined this site because I liked the original concept, and I have no desire to change it in its entirety.
A different plot can be equally interesting, but it wouldn't be World Destiny as I see it; hence another site.
Change is good and necessary for a thriving RP site, but too much can erase everything that has been worked for up to this point, as Gorrad said.
This is precisely why I would like expansions and continuation from the existing plot.
One thing, we could actually have it so things could change.
There have not been any major attacks on any planet since we had the FFXII World. No canon characters have died, only very minor OC. The Dark XII have not done anything really noticeable recently.
So I ask you, what the Hell have the heartless been doing?!?!? The Heartless are creatures that run on Reactions and Instincts. They are depraved creatures made of the worst of human emotions combined with darkness. The one thing they don't do (besides think properly), is they don't sit still.
As much as we like to think that we have made peace, the KH universe is one of ongoing war. There should be more than just the tiny skirmishes here and there. The only planets that are somewhat safe from invasion, are Disney Castle and Radiant Garden. But the RG's defense system is constantly needing fixing, and Disney Castle is not as safe as people like to think.
I don't know if anyone actually remembers this, but the Cornerstone of Light is currently at the bottom of the timeless river (in the past), guarded by a large, deadly, fish heartless thanks to Pete. There are other doors into the past, they can be created by pure willpower.
So, very few worlds are safe from be eaten by the heartless, only the ones from KH1 because Sora sealed them. All the other worlds can be destroyed by heartless. And, if we get the dark keyblades in play, there is no sanctuary.
Which brings me to keyblades. No matter what we do with the plot, we need a way to hand out keyblades. We know there are more keyblades than the ones seen in the game. The kingdom key is the starter one for everyone, and as they created memories the key grows. They run off of the heart, so the stronger the memories of the heart, the stronger the blade.
Perhaps I just have bloodlust due to Jude, but I really think that there should be more heartless activity.
And remember, whatever plot you try to plan can be completely overthrown by one good RPer in the right place. I have plans that have nothing to do with anything you might plan, and anyone who gets in Jude's way might very well die.
Locue's urge to break the universal RP rule "Don't kill someone's character unless the RPer is okay with it" aside...
Plead your case to build upon what we already have all you want. Simple truth is if we do that, no one will have any idea what's going on. Plot threads of past RPs have either been deleted or ostricized a majority of the site. A select few have had the privlage to take part in them and thus building upon those will be only beneficial to those who have taken part in them - or the few that still remain.
Any new memebers who come to partake in such a plot will be treated as loose theads dangling from a frayed cloth.
The only way to get things actually moving again is to start fresh. To breath new life into the site. Something that people can just jump into and not need to read other people's threads to have fun. Maybe then we can get new members and keep new members coming.
Hey, I always warn people that I have no qualms about killing their character when I get into a thread with them. And, if people ask me to, I will leave them alone. Therefore, any person who is in a thread with Jude (specifically him), I try to let them know that "by participating in this thread, you give your consent for your character to be offed if the situation become such that your character could be offed by mine, and, likewise, the other way around."
I also highly expect Jude to die. I made him so he could kill and be killed. Not to sit around and argue over who broke his coffee cup. You know, that weird touchy-feely thing.
(Wandering off topic, further comments regarding this subject - if required - be move to PMs. Don't want this to become like the other thread, now do we? >>;;; )
Post by qwertyuiopaz on Jan 27, 2009 15:05:43 GMT -4
Okay, enough lurking, I might as well get all this out in the open while I have time. I'm sick, though, and trying to get as much rest as I can, so some things may be a little hostile due to me not feeling well- both physically and mentally.
That aside...
I do not think we should start from scratch. As Sephiroth said, starting from scratch would feel more like another site. Not WD. If we start another plot completely from scratch, many people would feel as if they want to get their characters integrated somewhere. That would cause issues. Some people would be trying to fit their characters in, and some would actually be let into the plot. It would make people feel disappointed and they might leave the site due to this.
If we are to expand on what we have now, we have to lift some things that are starting to get out of hand. For example, the masses of characters where their appearance, personality, and history are directly lifted from another character. We also need to get rid of some other things, namely the histories of many of the final fantasy characters in this board.
The fact that you guys would like to make sense out of what happened to the final fantasy characters is good, I respect that, but when I see someone having to work for weeks, maybe months, on JUST one aspect of the characters themselves due to minor complications, it makes me think how odd this system really is. I also do not understand why there are some things that did happen, and some things just didn't happen at all, most notably Aerith's death. I know that I'll get many replies saying things along the lines of "well the profiles were already made and the history as already established, and there are too many people who would have to edit their profiles." How many people tend to look at histories of the characters when needing clarification? I know I don't, if anything I look for either appearance or personality. I don't really need to look at the history. So, why not simply let people who want to play FF characters let them instead of making them spend weeks tuning their histories so they fit in perfectly.
That was longer than I expected, but onto the other side of things.
I see how many people want to start from scratch. It would only be beneficial to have an opinion on both sides of the story, rather than giving one and not the other. Ultimately, I think if there is a new plot, it should be a very flexible plot. But, aside from that, I believe characters should have plots if they choose. But, those characters should have plots where others can get involved and help that plot progress. In addition to that, the person who controls the character controls the plot, and also have the responsibility of keeping track of the plot and its happenings.
Also, on another note, each thread should be a plot thread unless it is specified. Having one plot thread created confusion and not a whole lot of chances to get a whole lot done.
A lot of people are pushing for working off the old concept, but what IS the old concept? The old concept is twenty-five people trying to start a war. If someone could give me one really good argument as to why it is a good idea to cast over twenty-five parts (Both Organizations plus Mickey, Namine, Sora and assorted heroes) when there are only 20-30 or so members active at any given time (only 15 of them so far have taken enough interest to have an opinion and vote on it and a good handful of that group play OCs only), then maybe I could begin to see the logic behind it. Maybe I could begin to see why it's a good idea.
Somebody show me how it is practical.
Jan 27, 2009 18:40:30 GMT -4
Last Edit: Jan 27, 2009 18:49:33 GMT -4 by Aryn007
I don't think we need to scrap what we have. If some one was to keep track of what that is that we do have, though.... Come keeping track of continuity would be nice.
Now, we might need to change it a bit. Can anyone tell me why it is that they [/i]are[/i] trying for that war? Maybe we could restructure it a bit, just so that it wasn't such a deal not to have every single one of the Org. and Dark members.
I agree with Kaze about the plot threads.
As for the FF histories - and I sorry, I know that's not what this thread is about - It's not really all that complicated. I'm sorry you don't like to read histories, I put a fair bit of work in to mine.
Okay, that sounded snippy.
But the alternative - making them all from RG and whatnot - would take just as much coordinating, and actually be more difficult because we wouldn't have as much set to work from. Otherwise, if everyone's got a different idea of when and where things happened, no one will have any idea what anybody else is talking about.
Post by qwertyuiopaz on Jan 27, 2009 20:08:38 GMT -4
Aryn:
I'm not sure if this is what everyone else thinks, but a 25 person plot is more fair to everyone else. If a plot revolved around two or three people then it would be unfair to other members who would like to get into the plot. Still, that high number can start to make it so that a lot of people have to be more active and step up, so maybe somehow we can make the plot essentially the same, but smaller. I'm not sure how that would work, perhaps getting rid of some of the Dark XII, the spot where we seem to be having the most trouble maintaining activity, or scrapping it entirely. But, what happens when we scrap the plot and maybe even scrap the Dark XII, those members that did play members of the Dark XII will get angry at losing their characters.
Serif:
I don't play a final fantasy character, so I'll take your word for it. I was just confused as to why newbies had to make many revisions to their histories in what seemed like an overcomplicated justification of the FF characters being in the KH world, but it's all said and done, and you and others have taken a lot of time and work on those profiles, so I'll go with it. If anything in this post or the last post seem a bit personal to you or anyone else, I apologize completely.
Back to the plot. After reading the arguments on here about the plot, I must say that now I can imagine both plots, revised and new, working fairly smoothly in WD. (Yes, the post ends abruptly but I can't think of anything more to say.)
For as much good as this will do, since most questions, concerns, and comments in my posts are summarily ignored and passed over...
The FF histories, from the outside looking in, is entirely too complicated. Simply put, they do not make sense. I understand that it's brand new, but it tramples on not only FF canon, but KH canon as well, and blatantly, at that. Blacklisting characters, requesting profile submissions be completely redone to fall in line with this new storyline that new members would otherwise have no idea exists, it's a whole lot of work trying to fix something that was never broken to begin with.
And the whole "if you're in this thread with me, I have the right to kill you" arguement? Come on. Really? I've already seen entire threads vacated due to that statement.
Back to the topic at hand, if we ARE going to keep the current plot, and re-engineer it to working standards, the threads that were all deleted will HAVE to be summarized someplace on the site for history's sake. If they are to exist, there needs to be documented proof of it, otherwise we end up running circles with the RP equivelant of "I didn't see your name on it!" being yelled back and forth whenever something conflicts.