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Ah -- perhaps I can interpret? (I do appreciate it, Rook; in essence, that's it exactly.)
What I meant is that threads are threads. One isn't inherently 'important' while the other isn't due to the fact that barring a scenario already planned and locked to others, they can change. Some 'plot threads' went nowhere, and other 'non-plot' threads ended up being vastly important later on.
The system to distinguish in itself is flawed. While everything in these threads is still there, the idea that only one at a time a character can be involved in does not flow with the lucid timeline the site follows- one thread can be taking place that occurred a week before another, and both are referring to the same thing, for instance.
Therefore, I have seen no discernible benefit that this rule has provided to the site, and an addition of confusion.
This is why I will be removing it. This was a 'recent' rule added in any case, and has no actual effect on anything, when all is said and done. All threads will remain as they are, but there's no need to specify 'I believe this thread will be important' or 'I do not think this thread should be paid attention to'. That will become clear on its own.
Now, onto the Dark XII against Yen Sid.
Win or lose, it just needs a Yen Sid and a sapient tower to defend itself as well. (Bonus points for an army of broom swordsman, but I fear that's just something I myself would love to see.) That is all I say on the matter - until then, it has not happened.
Jul 14, 2009 17:02:27 GMT -4
Last Edit: Jul 14, 2009 17:06:58 GMT -4 by sephiroth
It seems to almost challenge that... I mean, what you say make a lot of sense. I follow it myself, and it's especially important with Fleta's consumable items, which I keep track of. If she uses one of them in a thread, she can't use that one in any other thread (after all, she already used it). I think what they're saying is that either they're gonna be cracking down on enforcing it or something, or they're going to find a way or implement a system to try to regulate it... I could be wrong, but that seems to be what they implied. That sentence right there wans't exactly praising plot-style threads, you know. I wonder what they really meant by it?
It simply means what it means-- all threads are plot. It all bleeds together like anything else, and labeling at is "Oh, this is plot, nothing else counts", is, frankly, stupid and leaves out other characters that have a harder time getting involved.
EDIT: Also, the Yen Sid thing? I've a little inclined to agree. Assuming, just because there's no one to play him, and at least not NOTIFYING the staff? Eesh.
If you need someone to play Yen Sid, I'd do it. I've had a muse for him for a little while now, and seeing that irked me like you would not believe. Especially since the tower itself can defend itself. (And I can lend game/Disney references to prove it, too.)
Jul 14, 2009 17:03:37 GMT -4
Last Edit: Jul 14, 2009 17:06:53 GMT -4 by sephiroth
I actually have a question regarding the Hades Cup. I actually made it to "gather"....stuff. For a MAJOR plot thread I'm creating. Am I allowed to do that? Or am I just over stepping my bounds?
It would not be a 'plot thread', which in essence is naught but a buzz word amounting to little in the end. It would, however, be a certainly viable tournament with a possible plot all its own.
Post by Ellie who has 0% on Jul 14, 2009 18:01:32 GMT -4
In response to Leon,
O.o Alright a.) staff was notified. Myde aka Tifa aka Gorrad is in the thread and is a staff member. If you must go read the thread..practically had an OCC conversation about contacting a staff member, which we did, Kaze, who's supposed to be the moderator of Twilight Town according to a thread in the Staff arena.
b.) According to our lovely little color code, it seems you are no longer a...staff member.
c.) There are multiple problems. Before we think about continuing plot thread, Yen Sid Tower yadda yadda yadda the results of the poll of Changes and New Admin needs to be implemented. This wouldn't be a problem to begin with if it was being thrown in action. O.o This is not a grr attack, but a statement.
Everything being stated here are closely connected to what was voted on in the "new changes ..." thread. The obvious top results.
a. Plot advances [Which we are attempting]
b. Sorting of Staff [Somewhat connected to the progress of plot advances. This place is like a clock. All the gears needs to be working for efficient progress. ie. Leon is willingly to play Yen Sid, but according to the color keys is no longer a staff member and by rules can't take another canon character. ie. Kaze would've been the opposing force in that particular plot thread if he was given his powers as moderator of Twilight Town. .....O.o...and that's how one rusted gear can affect everything else.]
c. Rules and information thread updates/changes. [O.o This is already going to a great start with the clarification in the first thread. ._. but how long will it be until it's added to the general rule...which haven't been since March of 09]
u.u this is not a bash, but a statement at how the current problems could be solved by enforcing what has been previous dicussed.
O.o and I too want to see some butt kicking brooms..
Ah -- perhaps I can interpret? (I do appreciate it, Rook; in essence, that's it exactly.)
What I meant is that threads are threads. One isn't inherently 'important' while the other isn't due to the fact that barring a scenario already planned and locked to others, they can change. Some 'plot threads' went nowhere, and other 'non-plot' threads ended up being vastly important later on.
The system to distinguish in itself is flawed. While everything in these threads is still there, the idea that only one at a time a character can be involved in does not flow with the lucid timeline the site follows- one thread can be taking place that occurred a week before another, and both are referring to the same thing, for instance.
Therefore, I have seen no discernible benefit that this rule has provided to the site, and an addition of confusion.
This is why I will be removing it. This was a 'recent' rule added in any case, and has no actual effect on anything, when all is said and done. All threads will remain as they are, but there's no need to specify 'I believe this thread will be important' or 'I do not think this thread should be paid attention to'. That will become clear on its own.
Now, onto the Dark XII against Yen Sid.
Win or lose, it just needs a Yen Sid and a sapient tower to defend itself as well. (Bonus points for an army of broom swordsman, but I fear that's just something I myself would love to see.) That is all I say on the matter - until then, it has not happened.
The best way to avoid that is to use location type theads, y'know. Oh well, you're the boss. What you're saying is that basically, you're gonna be enforcing the rules on threads a little more harshly. Good for you, we need more rule enforcement here.
The best way to avoid that is to use location type theads, y'know. Oh well, you're the boss. What you're saying is that basically, you're gonna be enforcing the rules on threads a little more harshly. Good for you, we need more rule enforcement here.
Eh, I am a bit against location type threads. It makes difficult for us, RPers, make a story for our characters. Also, if the thread dies, all of the activity of that specific zone ends.
a.) staff was notified. Myde aka Tifa aka Gorrad is in the thread and is a staff member. If you must go read the thread..practically had an OCC conversation about contacting a staff member, which we did, Kaze, who's supposed to be the moderator of Twilight Town according to a thread in the Staff arena.
At the time that this was going on, a lot of people were confused-- not much elaborated, but if staff was notified? Then they were, and there was just some confusion. I just never caught word of it at the time.
b.) According to our lovely little color code, it seems you are no longer a...staff member.
Forgive me for sounding slightly offended. Simply because I am no longer staff doesn't mean that I don't know how things work around here. As far as I know, I still have a fairly valid opinion. Colored fancy text doesn't deter that fact. And that sounded rather elitist, hence my being slightly offended.
ie. Leon is willingly to play Yen Sid, but according to the color keys is no longer a staff member and by rules can't take another canon character.
Being staff has nothing to do with it. I never said I would play the character for long. It's also stated in the rules that you can be allowed special permission to play more than four characters (i.e. Shiay and playing Riku on top of her other characters). If it isn't, then it was never edited like it should have been after a former staff discussion.
That said, I understand where you're coming from. As for location type threads-- I don't think I completely understand what that means...
Post by Ellie who has 0% on Jul 18, 2009 15:08:41 GMT -4
Now that's all out in the open. There's nothing wrong in a revival of the rule of Acting a Character Temporarily. If this flies by well with the admin, then let's get it started if you still have the Yen Sid muse. I rather not have something that's been planned and contemplated about for months to fall heavily once taking flight, especially when plenty made complaints about no one attempting to move the plot.
*coughs and raises hand* I have something to say about the Yen Sid situation.....
I'll make an app for him and see if I can get it approved. I'm not normally good at canons, but I do have some experience playing old wizards, both serious and comical. I should be able to satisfactorily play the character at least, until someone else comes along who wants to play him(because, honestly, I don,t like playing big-powerful canons for a long time) but, for short term, at least, I'm more than willing to play him.
If anyone has any objections, I'll hear them now before I post the app, just know I've got my pencil and paper and I'm writing down what the app is going to look like.
Also, if there are no objections, Leon, I would like for you to PM me your proof of how the tower would defend itself, and Elaeus, I would like you to PM me about what is going on with the tower situation so far, please. Thanks to both of you.
Sincerely strange,
Sumdood
Jul 18, 2009 16:08:35 GMT -4
Last Edit: Jul 18, 2009 17:14:33 GMT -4 by sephiroth
Now that's all out in the open. There's nothing wrong in a revival of the rule of Acting a Character Temporarily. If this flies by well with the admin, then let's get it started if you still have the Yen Sid muse. I rather not have something that's been planned and contemplated about for months to fall heavily once taking flight, especially when plenty made complaints about no one attempting to move the plot.
That should be fine. Please do make certain to run an act of this sort by a moderator first - we do want to ensure the character isn't played /in/correctly, either, and to be able to keep tabs on this sort of thing. It is highly appreciated.
That said, I understand where you're coming from. As for location type threads-- I don't think I completely understand what that means...
Basically, instead of each thread being a self-contained plot, it's a location. Such as:
Twilight Town: Market Street Twilight Town: Sunset Station Radiant Garden: Marketplace Radiant Garden: Merlin's House Wonderland: Rabbit Hole Wonderland: Bizarre Room
You get the picture, right?
Instead of everything happening in one thread, people travel from thread to thread as they would in real life (or if they were playing the game or something). Certain threads are connected to others, and you can travel to distant threads by going through the ones in between, giving other people (and enemies) a chance to interact with you on the way. It is much more organized than plot-driven threads, and though plots can easily be spread out between multiple threads as the activity moves from one place to another. Depending on who you are, this could either be a good thing or a bad thing, some people like just reading the whole plot in one centralized thread, others prefer the organization that location-style threads provide. What's more, with Location style threads, the location description makes up the first post, so there's no need to describe the location every time your character moves within a little plot or arc. Also, when a major plot happens, it affects the entire locale. Instead of one thread having a huge plot thing going on and the rest being totally unaffected by it, when a huge plot occurs, it can have an impact on nearby locations, thus allowing plots to have a much higher degree of noticeability and impact upon the game.
I MUST disagree with Sephiroth, however. Location style threads are as easy to do with huge amounts of locations such as game as they are to do in smaller games. The same is true of plot style threads. The ONLY difference is this: The preference of Centralization over Organization, or of Organization over Centralization.
Not to mention that we'll no longer have people suffering from being able to exist in multiple worlds at once. One would think that when you create a character as being located in a certain world, they'd stay there. Not everyone has a Gummi Ship or can use Corridors of Darkness, after all. Yet I know of only a few people other than myself who keep their characters where they should be if they've got no such means of inter-world travel.
Certain people should also remember that threads aren't purged due to inactivity in this style of thread (since locations ALWAYS EXIST, there's no reason to purge inactive threads).
Cue the people bashing me for being to stupid to understand that I'm simply trying explain what Location Style threads are to Leon.
I can see both merits and downsides to the idea of location based threads. The downsides, as I see it, are as follows:
One group of a few characters traveling from one end of a world to another will end up going through six or seven threads, and anyone trying to follow the story from outside would likely end up confused.
If something happened in another area that was immediately relevant to the original area, it would be easy to miss - say, there's an accidental explosion in the Moogle Shop in Traverse; Everyone in the First District would surely notice such an explosion (well, everyone in the game defined parameters of the First District), but the explosion wouldn't be directly mentioned in the First District thread.
Timing would be difficult with the way the RPers here tend to backlog. Since a thread that covers an hour or so of IC time takes as much as a week or a month OOC to write, it becomes quite difficult to work out the timing for multiple threads in the same area.
The advantages, though, are as follows:
There would be no confusion at all as to where any given incident is happening.
If two groups happen to pass each other traveling down a road in opposite directions, the location based threads would make certain all the RPers notice this fact. This is especially important if the two parties treat each other on a "Kill On Sight" basis - say Org. XIII and Dark XII.
As mentioned, there would be no need to purge threads.
In my opinion, the location based threads are not well suited to this particular RP, especially since we are not strict on enforcing timing.